Curse

Big_Iron · Oct 03, 2008, 12:34 PM // 12:34

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Originally Posted by Miss Drops Az

So if no kidding no lies, Im sure you wont mind sharing it on this thread then, assuming it is real and/or is not an exploit that you should have reported...

Ditto. I've been playing 3 years and have 8 maxed on one char. I have other chars with maxed titles, but only one or two each. Then again, I haven't been a title hound like some others.

Onyx Blindbow · Oct 03, 2008, 12:48 PM // 12:48

In reply to zwei2stein

GWAMM is a character specific title, NOT a player/account specific title and IMO should never be a player/account specific title

The whole idea behind GWAMM is that you achieved those titles with that char not that you have managed the odd title here and there with different chars

Who ever said anything about transferring titles? you did when you wanted to offload the work you have done with other chars and make the benefit account wide

You and others basically want GWAMM to be an player/account title not a specific character title, therefore any new char you roll will automatically receive the benefits from those titles/rep/faction already gained (as it would be account wide)

again you could make bought titles global, along with wisdom/treasure but where does it end, how long until people start to QQ about other titles that MUST be account wide

IMO the whole thing smacks of lessening the achievement of those that have actually done all that was necessary with the one char to get GWAMM which is really about the only PvE title of any worth now

Originally Posted by zwei2stein
Besides that, there is method of getting 20 maxed titles in less that 15 minutes. (No Kidding & No Lies) Does thins kind of lightning-fast GWAMM disturb you too?

noticed you dodged answering this upto now and yes that does disturb me because it belittles the efforts put in by real players, rather than the people searching for exploits/broken mechanics to get a title they havent earnt

kratimas · Oct 03, 2008, 12:50 PM // 12:50

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Originally Posted by Kerwyn Nasilan

Preparing some popcorn to watch all the GWAMM's QQ,

QFT

No matter what they do, 99% of the people will piss and moan about it.

Sad really

Bekkr · Oct 03, 2008, 12:58 PM // 12:58

If this ends up being as good a change as it could be, the only downside I can see is the QQing from the OCD types who can't understand the concept that one player's 3000 hours across 12 characters is every bit as valid as their 3000 hours on the one character.

Fingers crossed for win.

Cynicism at the ready for fail.

Onyx Blindbow · Oct 03, 2008, 01:05 PM // 13:05

tbh I think a-net have done this wrong anyway, no contact with players, not asking players views but they are just going to steamroller ahead with whatever idea they have in mind

I honestly think the only changes that will be seen are
wisdom/treasure going account wide,
easier way to max luxon
or kurzick hfff being brought into line with luxon one timeframe wise,
or hopefully the lowering of the grind in respect of luxon/kurzick/gw:en reps/ss & lb,

I really hope they don't make the drunkard title spammable (it would be a shame as I think that title was well thought out and the sweets & party that should have followed the drunkard model and not been made a quick spammable title)

DarkNecrid · Oct 03, 2008, 01:12 PM // 13:12

let's argue about stuff we have no clue if they are doing or not to get our hopes up and inevitability cause them to fail when something does happen!

Zwei, you aren't going to win, and you're clearly arguing with a guy who bought this game for the wrong reasons if he's willing to defend GWAMM and title grind. Don't argue with idiots. They'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience!

Meanwhile, either way, this is a victory for those of us who bought this game and know what it was about back in Prophecies and stuck to that. Even if it's a small change it's still a showing that the current GW1 team is willing to change stuff towards a direction that the game we played 50$ for used to be, and was advertised to us as. But I don't think this'll be a small change knowing Linsey, so. :P Even better!

WinterSnowblind · Oct 03, 2008, 01:15 PM // 13:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by Onyx Blindbow

In reply to zwei2stein

GWAMM is a character specific title, NOT a player/account specific title and IMO should never be a player/account specific title

The whole idea behind GWAMM is that you achieved those titles with that char not that you have managed the odd title here and there with different chars

Who ever said anything about transferring titles? you did when you wanted to offload the work you have done with other chars and make the benefit account wide

You and others basically want GWAMM to be an player/account title not a specific character title, therefore any new char you roll will automatically receive the benefits from those titles/rep/faction already gained (as it would be account wide)

again you could make bought titles global, along with wisdom/treasure but where does it end, how long until people start to QQ about other titles that MUST be account wide

IMO the whole thing smacks of lessening the achievement of those that have actually done all that was necessary with the one char to get GWAMM which is really about the only PvE title of any worth now

Originally Posted by zwei2stein
Besides that, there is method of getting 20 maxed titles in less that 15 minutes. (No Kidding & No Lies) Does thins kind of lightning-fast GWAMM disturb you too?

noticed you dodged answering this upto now and yes that does disturb me because it belittles the efforts put in by real players, rather than the people searching for exploits/broken mechanics to get a title they havent earnt

I fail to understand how it's more of an achievement to get all those titles with one character, than it would be across the whole account. The same player still got those accomplishments, some people just prefer to play as multiple characters, rather than the same one all the time.

zwei2stein · Oct 03, 2008, 01:22 PM // 13:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by Onyx Blindbow

In reply to zwei2stein

GWAMM is a character specific title, NOT a player/account specific title and IMO should never be a player/account specific title

The whole idea behind GWAMM is that you achieved those titles with that char not that you have managed the odd title here and there with different chars

Who ever said anything about transferring titles? you did when you wanted to offload the work you have done with other chars and make the benefit account wide

You and others basically want GWAMM to be an player/account title not a specific character title, therefore any new char you roll will automatically receive the benefits from those titles/rep/faction already gained (as it would be account wide)

again you could make bought titles global, along with wisdom/treasure but where does it end, how long until people start to QQ about other titles that MUST be account wide

IMO the whole thing smacks of lessening the achievement of those that have actually done all that was necessary with the one char to get GWAMM which is really about the only PvE title of any worth now

Originally Posted by zwei2stein
Besides that, there is method of getting 20 maxed titles in less that 15 minutes. (No Kidding & No Lies) Does thins kind of lightning-fast GWAMM disturb you too?

noticed you dodged answering this upto now and yes that does disturb me because it belittles the efforts put in by real players, rather than the people searching for exploits/broken mechanics to get a title they havent earnt

1) Offloading work is not same as transfering title. Ain't that obvious?

2) The whole idea behind GWAMM is that you achieved... Emphasis on correct spot.

3) You seem to be stuck in standard-MMO "Character" > "Player" mindset. That is wrong mindset for guildwars. Fix it.

4) No PvE title and was majority of PvP ones do not have any worth. Best thing you can say about player that holds one such title is "He might not have gridded and exploited to get it"

5) How is doing exactly same things that player did on only one different from doing them split on several characters different? They all have to be done or there is no gwamm for them. Where is difference for you?

6) See, you are too easily disturbed when you do not have enough information about nature of things.

bungusmaximus · Oct 03, 2008, 01:39 PM // 13:39

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Originally Posted by kratimas

QFT

No matter what they do, 99% of the people will piss and moan about it.

Sad really

I definitely will NOT piss and moan if they fix lux/kurzick ranks, even if I gained my r9 the hard way. But I'm not much of a title junkie to begin with.

Molock · Oct 03, 2008, 01:50 PM // 13:50

I wish they would make the rep titles account wide because honestly... maxing all 6 of them on my assassin, my elementalist, my warrior, my monk, my ranger and my necromancer ain't gonna happen. I already maxed them on my elementalist and every second of grind was PAINFUL and I really don't wanna have to go through that ever again. I wouldn't mind if the titles have no effect on gameplay.. but they have a considerable effect and that is what bothers me.

If it was possible I would have the skills and passive effects of the rep titles scale to your character with the highest tier while the titles on character x might not be as high. Example: Elementalist has r8 LB, Assassin has r4 LB. While the title would always display r4 on my assassin the LB effect and skill would be scaled to r8.

I know this won't happen and it makes me sad but it is just a game after all

Hopefully the update will bring some refreshing changes.

upier · Oct 03, 2008, 02:00 PM // 14:00

If you make more titles account wide - great, I might even have a shot at getting some ranks in them.
If you don't - watch me not get them.

I am not going to be playing the game for titles if the core game won't be fun.

pumpkin pie · Oct 03, 2008, 02:11 PM // 14:11

next thing you know, players will start asking for titles to be crossed-accounts.....

Pwny Ride · Oct 03, 2008, 02:19 PM // 14:19

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Originally Posted by pumpkin pie

next thing you know, players will start asking for titles to be crossed-accounts.....

QQ.

I dont see why people have a problem with this. Titles should be a reflection of the player's achievements. No?

Ate of DK · Oct 03, 2008, 02:21 PM // 14:21

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Originally Posted by Molock

Hopefully the update will bring some refreshing changes.

I wouldn't bet money on that.

************************

They can change titles if they want but I am wondering about something else. Why should every player be able to achieve GWAMM without massive grinding?

Rings any bells...?
What I am trying to say is that when GW2 gets released. There could be 3 players with Legendary Hero (R15), probably nobody with max Champion and maybe a Legendary Gladiator?

If Anet would just announce that you don't need GWAMM to unlock your special green weapon, your gold mini-pet, your special collectors armor for in towns in GW2 and a flashy title that says "My grand-daddy roxx GW1*...
Then the whole title grinding/hunting to achieve the max-PvE rank would become less important.

Anyway, thinking a bit further in the future would make me consider buying GW2. I now realise that Anet changes things in the game that many spent many hours on. So... I better buy GW2 2 years after release when everything gets easier to achieve and spam my flash emotes at players who played 2 years allready with the text: "Haha, you noob!"

Just my thoughts,

* Honestly, you expect some other bonus to get from linking your GW1 account with your GW2 account?

Onyx Blindbow · Oct 03, 2008, 02:22 PM // 14:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by zwei2stein

1) Offloading work is not same as transfering title. Ain't that obvious?

2) The whole idea behind GWAMM is that you achieved... Emphasis on correct spot.

3) You seem to be stuck in standard-MMO "Character" > "Player" mindset. That is wrong mindset for guildwars. Fix it.

4) No PvE title and was majority of PvP ones do not have any worth. Best thing you can say about player that holds one such title is "He might not have gridded and exploited to get it"

5) How is doing exactly same things that player did on only one different from doing them split on several characters different? They all have to be done or there is no gwamm for them. Where is difference for you?

6) See, you are too easily disturbed when you do not have enough information about nature of things.

1. Offloading isn't the same as transferring titles? maybe in your mind it is ok to transfer the rep/faction as long as that title isn't maxed? otherwise all your talking about is transferring titles dress it up how you want but that is what it boils down to.

2. WRONG, GWAMM is a character based title, not what YOU have acheived in the game account wise (look on wiki if your not clear on this)

3. Nope disagree totally, I enjoy all 8 of my characters so enjoy playing accountwise, maybe if GWAMM or title hunting was originally designed to be account wise then I wouldn't be in the "std mmo mindset" as you call it

4. no titles worth anything? then why bother playing for them? why even enter into an argument about how the game should be switched around from it's original concept of character based accomplishments to player accomplishments

5. To me personally the difference is that a choice was made to go for GWAMM as the game is intended to be which was character based, if the title track would have been account based from the start then I would have farmed the titles across my range of chars as I saw fit, but why should the whole concept behind the game be changed to suit the few that cannot be bothered to make that choice?

6. that sentence is nonsensical drivel,

you stated that you know of a way to max 20 titles in 15 minutes, I responded that I presume it was an exploit or broken mechanic, others have since questioned this and you have upto now dodged the answer

To clarify my position on this, GWAMM is and has always been a character based title, not my choice or the choice of anyone hunting titles, it has nothing to do with OCD or the need to play in "std mmo style", it is a concept behind the game, I don't believe this concept should be turned on it's head for a few people that do not want to put in the effort to get that title.

FYI: http://guildwars.wikia.com/wiki/Maxed_titles_rank

Maxed Titles Track

The maxed titles track, more commonly known by its first tier, Kind Of A Big Deal, is a title that you can display for prestige.

It is awarded per character for number of other titles maxed. 6 is its highest rank, at 30 titles maxed, but the count can go up past 30.

I am not getting into a flamewar over this, just stating my opinion that the foundations of the game shouldn't be changed to pacify the few

As I said earlier the chances are that the changes will be minimal and next to nothing will be made accountwide anyway lol

pumpkin pie · Oct 03, 2008, 02:23 PM // 14:23

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Originally Posted by Pwny Ride

QQ.

I dont see why people have a problem with this. Titles should be a reflection of the player's achievements. No?

I was being sarcastic.
I mean 2 Guild Wars accounts not GW - GW 2

you know, after all, i did do all those stuff with this one character in this one account so, its the player, me, that achieve the things, so why not give it to my secondary account characters as well << thought i explain it more :P (/sarcasm)

Pwny Ride · Oct 03, 2008, 02:31 PM // 14:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by pumpkin pie

I was being sarcastic.
I mean 2 Guild Wars accounts not GW - GW 2

For a second i had the inkling that was sarcasm. My detector is out of date though :/

EDIT: @ Onyx. I should buy an account with a character with GWAMM off of ebay then. That would surely mean more than me, as a player, actually achieving it.
I should also probably steal the identity of that guy in my design firm who's about to get a promotion to director. I mean, its not about the person at all. Is it?
What we have achieved 'account wise' is still what we've achieved as players. Adding 'account wise' to a sentence doesnt change a thing, it's just twisting of words.

nvmu · Oct 03, 2008, 02:41 PM // 14:41

hmm... how about next month armor gets changed so that you can buy armor for 1 character and all of your characters gets a set... ya lets do that to... armor is a character achievement i guess you could say, but as long as ppl want pve titles to become account wide why not allow pve armor to become account wide
sounds stupid right, well so does pve titles becoming account wide

incase you haven't noticed account wide titles take alot more to max then character based, so following that to change rep titles to become account wide would mean that it would actually take more grinding to get them. (exception being kurz/lux, but it depends how you go about it)

Vazze · Oct 03, 2008, 02:41 PM // 14:41

Probably it does not matter what we say now, but imo all titles should be account wide and many titles have serious grind issues.

Jensy · Oct 03, 2008, 02:45 PM // 14:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ate of DK

If Anet would just announce that you don't need GWAMM to unlock your special green weapon, your gold mini-pet, your special collectors armor for in towns in GW2 and a flashy title that says "My grand-daddy roxx GW1*...
Then the whole title grinding/hunting to achieve the max-PvE rank would become less important.

* Honestly, you expect some other bonus to get from linking your GW1 account with your GW2 account?

Uh, who the hell ever said you would need to grind out GWAMM for GW2? O_o Even if you did, titles still do not mean anything. At all.

Besides, it'd most likely be "Full HoM ---> Special Whatever", and you do not need GWAMM to get a full HoM.